There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
~Leonard Cohen
Today is the birthday of musician/poet/writer Leonard Cohen. Cohen often is referred to as "the godfather of gloom", as his lyrical style tends to be somber, smoky, and sullen. And yet, I find there is almost a liberating spiritual tone behind all the supposed lamenting. It's been reported that Mr. Cohen has battled with clinical depression most of his life. Of course, it's not unusual that the most brilliant, creative, and talented people tend to be the ones with the unstable mental health status. It almost seems a prerequisite. Look at Poe, Keats, Cobain, Plath, Woolf. A term was even coined in an attempt to link creativity to mental illness, the "Sylvia Plath" effect. On the surface, it would seem as though mental illness conditions would inhibit creative ability, but theories that open a discourse as to whether creativity actually *causes* mental illness or "madness" can be intriguing to ponder. If I had to posit, I'd lean towards a notion that suggests those with psychological issues tend to use creative outlets to a therapeutic effect...but that's just my theory anyway.
Speaking of the psychological, I came across a post in The Psychology of a Dominant Woman recently that kind of opened a can of worms for me. Maitresse S has a fascinating and philosophical-oriented blog which delves into the mind and thoughts of a dominant woman. Her insights are sometimes raw, but always hit on relevant points. In Submissive Men Are Fucked Up, Maitresse S shares a bit of a rant over an interaction she had with a sub male. It's all too common to hear the sub male's plaintive cries over never being able to find a domme to connect with, the low ratio of dommes to male subs, the difficulty meeting a domme who is not after a tribute, etc.
Says Maitresse S,
...I feel sometimes male subs feel like the ones that make these absolutes and if they don't find the perfect FemDom to fit their needs , well then they just need to move on. Even FemDom's are people and human beings and I think male subs can forget that sometimes. We are not perfect.
Well, if you are no longer interested than I will respect that. "
He actually writes back and we begin a discourse. I tell him my belief that D/s is based on care and love and not about humiliation. He writes back I THINK YOU WANT A BOYFRIEND.
This actually makes me mad.
While humiliation and objectification can certainly be a key piece in a D/s exchange, is that a mutually exclusive factor? Can there be *both* humiliation and objectification and care and love? It seems like some struggle with that notion. If a person is paying for a pro-domme service, they are paying to have a fantasy enacted, for the most part. It's a business transaction ultimately and that's a different experience. I'd be interested in hearing about what motivates the submissive males who claim they long to be in a D/s relationship. How do they view women, in general?
Axe talks about the idea of submissive men objectifying dominant women in his recent entry. It's hard sometimes not to think in absolutes, and god knows I have to rein myself in on certain topics such as these. Axe occasionally puts up sexy images in his blog which depict dominant women engaging in various acts with submissive partners. It was just a matter of time before the debate over just who is objectifying whom creeped up.
Someone suggested that these Found Femdom images make me seem like I’m objectifying women. Funny since what turns me on about them is that the women are objectifying men. Does that mean I objectify women who objectify men?
Ahh, we are entering into murky territory here. Here's how I responded to the objectification issue:
We have eyes; therefore we look, we appreciate, we gaze, we covet. And yeah, in that process, sometimes we objectify too.
I’ve heard schools of thought which posit that *most* submissive men have an objectified view toward the dominant women they interact with. When I used to work in phone sex, I came across many a “submissive” client who presented with a wholly distorted view of what a dominant woman represents. There were the guys who professed simply because I was a female, I deserved to be put on a pedestal and worshiped. That by virtue of her femaleness, a woman should be worshiped…and that goes for *all* women. That’s just ridiculous, if you ask me. And very sexist, if you think about it.
There were the clients who enjoyed being feminized to varying degrees…and those whose fetish was to emulate “woman-ness”. This definition of female almost always consisted of over-the-top, exaggerated representations of womanhood. Why was that, I always wondered? Do these men genuinely believe that in order to embody the feminine one has to wear 8 inch heels, frilly clothing, naughty lingerie, etc.? I always thought that said a lot more about what some men (submissive or not) really thought about women in general. And yeah, to me that seemed to be taking objectification to a whole other level.
And yet, I find a picture like the one in this post totally hot. Does it matter who is objectifying whom? It sometimes does simply come down to a matter of perception. And what we perceive is nothing more than a reflection of what we already desire or believe to be reality in our hearts and minds. No one is right or wrong.
***The moderate feminist in me would say objectification is an unhealthy thing...regardless of which sex is under the objectification lens. Still, the erotic woman in me would say who *doesn't* desire to be desired at some point in their lives, on some level? Hell, it can be fucking hot to be viewed as a sex object! And just as hot to treat someone as such...in a certain context. Is it fair for a male boss to look down on his female coworker *because* she is a female and relate to her on the job in a purely sexualized way? In my opinion, no way. Would it be fulfilling for me to want a submissive male to exist solely to worship me at all times? God, no--that would drive me crazy. Does that make D/s exchanges and activities right or wrong when they carried out for what they are meant to be...consensual explorations of roles, boundaries, sexual fantasies, and perceptions? I'd like to think not. But again, those are my opinions and what works for me will not necessarily work for the next person.
Are we still so stuck in rigid concepts of sexuality that there can be no blurring of boundaries in a healthy, constructive way? For it is in the blurry, murky, muddy, messy spaces where we often are able to have the most amazing experiences.
Good god...that was quite a tangent. Apparently I lied when I said at the beginning of this post that I would refrain from getting into anything heavy! This concludes this Sunday's Cocktail Hour. Maybe next week I'll lay off the coffee and stick with straight Bailey's! To wind down, please enjoy a fantastically funky little tune I am loving at the moment...
4 comments:
I have a good friend that's a Domme, and has told me about all of the messages she's gotten on a social networking site from male subs:
"I'm a true submissive, a complete slave, and I'll do anything you want. I have no limits! Oh, and I want you to do this and this to me, I don't want you to do this and this, I want you to say these things, and I want you to wear this outfit while you're doing it."
Now, this is not all male subs by any means...but it's also not a one-time phenomenon. I can see how it would get a little old.
As was mentioned in the comments on Axe's post, Objectification is just something we do, being human. We look at an attractive male or female, and we covet. *shrug* Personally, I happen to like ogling a gorgeous body (male or female). ;)
When we start taking that idealized view as absolute truth, that's when there's an issue.
Here from Axe- this is what I posed there:
@Pagankinktress: Oh, say it TWICE. I am a wee bit genderqueer and not remotely interested in dressing up in femme drag for a sub to fetishize, and there is nothing like having a sub be all, “Oh, Goddess! I worship your femininity!” when I am right in front of him in my combat boots and butchy haircut to make me want to knee him in the balls. And not in the good way.
I have discovered that telling them to call me Sir does WONDERS at weeding out the bad ones.
And later, to him:
It seems (to me) like the difference is that when a sub does that to me, he's ignoring me. I mean, honestly, he's ignoring
every scrap of information he has on how I'm
dressing/acting/presenting myself, in favor of what he WANTS me to be
like. It seems (and correct me if I'm wrong) that I was looking at
the picture you put on your own website and saying I quite liked what I saw there. That is, the way you present yourself and presumably
want to be seen. As opposed to a sub seeing only what he thinks a
dominant woman SHOULD look like and objectifying that, completely
ignoring me in front of him.
Anyway, I think you're so right- everybody likes to be objectified sometimes, and there's room for that in a D/s exchange. But there's a difference between objectifying ME and objectifying the fantasy domme you have in your head
PP: Oh spare me--if I had a dime for every "submissive" who called the service I used to work for and proclaimed "I have no limits..and I will do ANYTHING you want", well crap, there'd have been no point in charging for the call! I could have made bank on that notion alone! BUT--I realize that's not the most reliable sample population...clients of phone sex services who want to play D/s games are obviously in a different demographic in the BDSM community. Those guys were calling me for a service and for 2 bucks a minute, I can understand why some of them had very specific instructions for how they wanted the session/call to go. I used to get aggravated to some extent, because that's not a genuine D/s exchange, at least in my opinion. Clients wanted to be made to feel a certain way and it was my *job* to make that happen. Which is why I'm no longer in that line of work, but I digress. It's a whole other ball game and someday, maybe I'll talk more about those experiences in this blog.
Still, you see it in the BDSM community often, as you mentioned, the whole "topping from the bottom"...I have no limits and this is how I want to you play with me", etc. Actually, I wonder if this is something of a phenomenon seen more in the online BDSM community?
Objectification happens in all sorts of situations in our everyday life. How and why we objectify is a personal thing...as I stated in response to Axe's post--it isn't right or wrong, it's just a reaction to certain stimuli and based in our own perceptions and possibly past experiences of sexuality and the erotic. And I couldn't agree more with your stand on when objectified, idealized views become "absolute truths", that's when we get into trouble. Well said, PP!
Dragojustine, I really like what you had to say here as well. I'm going to come back to this in a bit and respond to your comment. I appreciate you stopping by here. =)
Dragojustine,
Sorry it took me a little longer to respond here! The last day got away from me way too easily.
It is rather interesting though-isn't it- how gender itself can sometimes be fetishized. Maybe not gender identity per se, but gender roles and certainly symbols of what society implies represents masculinity and femininity. And that's kind of where I think the problem lies...the warped nonsense of what it means to be a woman or a man...*who* exactly makes these determinations? Take fetish porn, for example...standard femdom porn, since femdom stereotypes have been touched on here. Is what is portrayed on sites like meninpain.com or other commercially driven websites an accurate account of what happens in a femdom scenario? The women are usually totally hot, the scenes often a bit unrealistic, and in the end, the woman typically fucks the guy in some way or he gets off directly or indirectly. Very little attention is paid to the reaction of the male sub other than his orgasm (if he has one.) It seems to be all about glorifying the impossibly perfect domme and half the time, it doesn't seem like she's even *enjoying* what she is doing to the guy! Now, nothing wrong with emphasizing the domme or her actions, after all, if its femdome porn, well that's kind of the point. But its the *way* its depicted and sadly, this is what is spoon-fed online, at least. And rightfully so, since the webmasters are trying to target subscriptions and the demographic they target is generally males. Still, we wonder where convoluted ideas of what it means to engage in BDSM or femdom come from and it's hard to ignore the influence of the media, or in this case, the porn media.
About the objectification piece, you really say it best...its one thing to objectify the person and desire their sexuality for what it is...it's another thing entirely when a fantasy becomes the source of inspiration and objectification. Someone is going to be let down in the end.
Gah...I don't even know if I made any sense here! But I so appreciate you taking the time to comment and share. Your insights and experiences are always welcome here. =)
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